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« on: July 15, 2009, 07:07:28 AM »

I ran across an interesting bit of information that I guess
I hadn't heard before.  So I began to do some research
to verify or dispute what I had heard.  Below is just a
snippet of my research.  It should be enough to tweek
your own interest if such things interest you and you can
do your own valid research.
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As William Tyndale translated the Bible into English in the
early 1500s, he sought to preserve the singular and plural
distinctions that he found in his Hebrew and Greek originals.
Therefore, he consistently used thou for the singular and
ye for the plural regardless of the relative status of the
speaker and the addressee. By doing so, he probably saved
thou from utter obscurity and gave it an air of solemnity that
sharply distinguished it from its French counterpart. Tyndale's
usage was imitated in the King James Bible, and remained
familiar because of that translation.

The 1662 Book of Common Prayer, which is still an authorized
form of worship in the Church of England, retains the 17th-century
language and uses the word thou to refer to the singular second
person. It is treasured among worshippers because of the beauty of
its language, and is considered one of the greatest works in English.
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John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, "Except a man be born again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God."

John 3:7
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

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What is interesting is that if you know that "thee" is in the singular
and "Ye" is in the plural, it would change the discussion to a different
view.  And I don't see that it would violate the Bible so it may very
well be what it seems.

Here's a paraphrase of Jesus speaking to the Jewish leader.

Don't be amazed what I tell "you,"
that "everyone" must be born again.

Just an interesting concept.  Enjoy.


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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2009, 08:41:22 AM »

Come on Carl, post the Greek and Hebrew translations too!
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